itsalluseless | Some kind of meme

So about that cake...?

Also relationship, maybe I guess?

Eating the cake didn't actually have any effect, since it was there for the sole purpose of being eaten! Battler's been learning to bake and making cakes for Beatrice, so the cake was there as a connection he has to Peridot. Other team rooms had paper pieces in other symbols of connections like that.

Baseline pink is actually the Battler's relationship dot status with everyone on Emerald!

Relationship reverse?

Edited 2013-04-09 23:41 (UTC)

It is the same actually! :x

Itachi likes Battler and trusts him pretty well. He would probably be willing to talk to him/open up to him more about himself than he does, if it seemed relevant or Battler asked him something. It's just their threads don't go in that direction very often, but maybe that will start to change now.

Did anyone from Emerald make any particular changes or effect anything in Battler's heart?

Not any major changes, no! Even though they ended up seeing some awkward memories, Lightning and Itachi did a good job not changing anything on their trip through heart!Aather! However, the conversation Roxas had with forest NPC had the effect of making Battler more interested in being there for other Emeralds and listening to their troubles should they need it.

Did the heart game change how Itachi views Battler? If not, what would he have thought of the parts of the heart he didn't see, such as the chapel full of corpses?

It kind of did, but not in like a hugely drastic way since the part of Battler that is effected by Aather is the part Itachi is most familiar with. But it still made him become aware of some things. He realizes he is quite a remarkable social life apparently?? He doesn't really judge that though. He's just kind of like. "oh I didn't know" In general wandering around Battler's heart kind of made him more curious about him.

He actually feels kind of bad that he doesn't know more about him. Like, the heart game and Winter leaving happening on the same day made him realize how much time has passed since Battler arrived and how little he knows him, and he kind of feels like a shit teammate. So he might start to try to reach out to him a little more, and be less tied up in himself.

If he'd been through the more trauma laden part of the heart he might have felt like he understood him a little better. Like, the Aather part of the heart made him see how little he knows about him and how he maybe doesn't understand him that well. The trauma part of the heart would have made him realize how little he knows, too, but it would have added a layer of empathy, as well. Because Itachi does understand horrible trauma, as someone who has both experienced it and caused it.

I HAVE NO IDEA IF I MAKE SENSE. I think this ended up being more like a more detailed relationship update than it was meant to be, so I hope I answered your question :x

ETA: o right, Itachi realizes about Battler has nightmares now and that is definitely something he can empathize/sympathize with so, idk if he ever sees him seeming restless at night or exhausted during the day he might worry a bit, because he understands.

How would Battler feel about Itachi and Lightning having viewed some of the memories they saw in his heart?

Edited 2013-04-11 07:20 (UTC)

What changes did Fang make?

ALSO DOTS I GUESS

Like everyone who talked to forest NPC and convinced him to let them pass, Fang made Battler feel more comfortable about admitting when he's not all right and being more open about his feelings in general. Since Fang was particularly cool about it and there were hugs, he'll think of her especially as someone he can trust and rely on!

Fixing the broken table in the boiler room restored some of Battler's ~hot-blooded shounen spirit~, though since it was done with materials from the study he'll mostly be saving it for things like games and possible logic arguments.

Cleaning up the logic error room actually had a somewhat negative impact, since the mess in there was related to his own (failed) attempts at solving it. Cleaning up some of those signs kind of leaves him feeling like he didn't try hard enough. But since he already knows he was rescued from there in canon and how it was done, it doesn't matter all that much.

The wedding/funeral room was related to Battler's parental issues, his mother's death and his father's remarriage shortly after. Tearing down the decorations means that he won't feel the need to act like he's more over those issues than he really is. With the photographs turned down, he's also more likely to redevelop some of his old resentment toward his father and stepmother.

Finally, finding a key and reaching the True Heart gave Fang a big relationship boost! Which brings me to dots:

give me some dots in return?

The same, essentially! Though the heart game helped. She realized Battler is similar to her in some ways. Maybe not in how they handle things—she can tell from being in the boiler room that he is a much lower level individual by default—but since he's stubborn and keeps going anyway, it really is something. But the difference is that she can tell he doesn't give up at the heart of it all, which ... well, Fang does. So a large part of her admires him a lot after all of that! Something he said in their first game together about it being why she's a knight has stuck with her the entire time she's been in Aather, and honestly, it's why she didn't throw in the towel right away. BEYOND THAT, she is generally fond of him and does genuinely want to get to know him a lot better than she does, especially since there's a part of him that he was afraid she'd judge him for. There's a part of her that's like that (actually, she's convinced it's all of her, even if that isn't true in the least but Fang focuses on the negatives), so yeah.

MORE THAN ANYTHING his own weird LET'S SHOUNEN FORTH mindset is really good for her to identify as someone she wants to be around and his opinion matters a lot.

OH RIGHT A QUESTION. Can I know how the Raven/Battler/Beato thing happened? I missed it!

Edited 2013-04-10 00:48 (UTC)

Oh man the story of the threesome. It's...more or less been building from the day Battler arrived in Aather, in a way! Raven and Beato were in an established relationship, and Battler's arrival kind of seemed like it would throw things off balance since he and Beato were together in their home canon? But of course at the beginning, Battler didn't remember that and Beato only let him know of the more antagonistic sides of their relationship because she has Issues. Raven was the person who kept defending her to Battler more than anyone and insisted that she wasn't as bad as she seemed and he should just give her a chance. Why he helped his unknowing romantic rival so much was kind of a mystery to Raven himself, but it was kind of a mixture of him having his own Issues and him finding out he actually liked Battler. The two of them became pretty good friends, even though the tension from the love triangle kind of kept building as Battler became more aware of things.

Eventually Battler did figure out that Beato like-liked him (which he probably couldn't have done without Raven's help) and there were occasional makeouts and such as a result. But Battler didn't feel comfortable actually going anywhere with it because she was already dating Raven, and he has Opinions on cheating! So things were just kind of weird and awkward for a fairly long time because none of them really wanted to address the situation they were in. Then there were things like Goldie's kissing game where Battler had a moment of gay panic and Raven kissed him to shut him up about it, and Three's soulmate game where Battler and Raven got an empathic link and somehow that led to them and Beato playing truth or dare, and the way every single conversation they had kept devolving into accidental innuendo because they are huge dorks. Oh, and Raven's teammates kept telling him that a threesome would be the best solution to things.

Then fairly recently Battler had something about epiphany about certain things regarding Beato and their canon and things, and talking about that with Raven first led to them finally talking about how they both had feelings for Beato. They agreed that even though it might not be easy, they would both try their best to be okay with sharing her since it was clear she didn't want to be forced to choose either one and they both wanted her to be happy more than anything! And Battler ended up kind of confronting Raven about his ridiculously low self-esteem and emotionally topping him into trying not to be so hard on himself. Which would be when Raven realised that he kind of had a crush on Battler and started to think that a threesome didn't seem like such a bad idea after all. But he just assumed that nothing could ever come of it and tried to forget it.

AND THEN at Raven's legacy party everyone got really drunk and Sieh told Raven he should kiss Battler and use being drunk as an excuse if it went badly. When he did just that, he and Battler were both surprised to realise that Battler was actually pretty okay with it. So a little later when Raven and Beato were taking things to Raven's private legacy room, they ended up inviting Battler along. After that, there was another short period of avoiding talking about things, but they did manage to agree that yes, it wasn't just a one-off thing and that they were all in a relationship together!

AND THAT IS THE TALE OF THE THREESOME wow this got long.

... Re: cheating, does Battler not know that Beato was dating other people? (SORRY THAT PART LITERALLY MADE ME CRACK UP.)

HE DOES NOT. She...never bothered to tell him.

#beatriceproblems

I hope you know the Very Serious Talk Suzaku had with Battler in the one plot event was with the assumption he knew they had a thing. This makes me laugh so hard. Poor Battler.

Battler can be preposterously clueless at times. I love it.

I don't even know why Suzaku assumed Battler would know.

(No, I know why. Suzaku idealizes Beatrice and why wouldn't she tell him.

Suzaku is a bit clueless, too.)

What would've happened if she or someone else let ANGER NPC out of the storage closet? AND DID LAMBDA MAKE ANY OTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGES I GUESS!

Mostly Battler would have been a lot more unforgiving with people, plus more cold with people he doesn't like and more willing to be ruthless in games. NOW ANY SUCH FEELINGS ARE GETTING REPRESSED HARDER THAN EVER :')

Throwing the poison from the goblet away (into anger NPC's face counts) basically emptied out any unconscious feelings of paranoia, which coupled with the interactions other people had with forest NPC means that at least for a while, Battler's going to be very trusting and willing to open up to people!

The things Lambda and Fang did with the pedestals in the foundations were very significant but I'll probably go into more detail about those in the writeup proper. For now I'll just say that the options Lambda picked didn't as much cause changes as reinforced what was there before.

Finally, getting a key (even from anger NPC) and making it to the True Heart means a big relationship boost for Lambda! It's actually what got her dots to go from yellow into pink.

ALSO QUESTIONS YES if Lambda had run into forest NPC how would she have dealt with his bullshit?

Edited 2013-04-09 22:33 (UTC)

She would've... ignored him and kept walking, probably. She would've seen through that sort of behavior right away (especially since she does the exact same thing herself to the point where she even had a similarly functioning NPC in her own heart) and if he had still insisted in getting in her way she would've gone into a thorough explanation of how his behavior was obviously an attempt to hide something and made it quite clear she understood exactly what was going on. :)

This is not related to the heart but since I'm curious, which teams does Battler have the best or strongest impressions of? WELL I GUESS I COULD ALSO TIE THAT INTO HEART and ask which team rooms in his heart were the most significant/planned out!

dots for Annabeth 'u'

HE LIKES YOU ANNABETH

ALSO GIVE ME RETURN DOTS PLS

Edited 2013-04-10 13:05 (UTC)

Keep in mind that Annabeth's starting point is a blue circle with no dots, so this is pretty good! She is automatically on edge around new people until she can assess them, it's one of her ~charms~.

WHAT DID WE DO TO YOU BATTLER did freeing you from (what I assume was??) the logic error do good or bad things.

The NPC logic error room was more directly related to his feelings about the whole thing, since he does already know the solution to it! So taking him out of there basically means that at least for the time being, he'll be having less nightmares about the logic error, which is good! He will just...have nightmares about everyone dying instead :') Though since Annabeth removed the door, he will have some trouble keeping the memories of it off his mind, so the nightmares may come back fairly quickly.

oops 'u' YOU CAN JOIN ANNABETH IN NIGHTMARES ABOUT DEAD PEOPLE

I WANT DOTS FOR RAVEN AND ERIKA

and also heart game stuff for Erika if there is... much

and also I want to know what touching the budding yellow flowers would have done '-'

Raven

like I noted in Lambda's dots meme, it is not easy to get pink dots from Battler!

Erika

ALSO YES Erika didn't really...cause any significant changes? Mostly her conversations with the NPCs left Battler with a clear impression that she just Does Not Get It, and also that expecting her to change her ways is completely useless.

The yellow buds would have given off vague Raven feels, though not any clear memories or such! There were also Things that could have been done with both kinds of flowers, but I don't want to go into too much detail about that in case Seth's thread still continues in that direction :|a

If Erika had ended up going to a different part of the heart, the chapel for instance, would she have gone through with her threat of messing things up?

PROBABLY.

She wouldn't have been like... wantonly destructive though? Walking into a heart and maliciously breaking random stuff isn't actually her style as much as people will yell at her about it. Since she's all about revealing the ~truth~ it would be more digging out hidden things or changing things where the trigger seems like it will push Battler more towards what she considers "reality". She would probably have had fun with anger NPC at the very least!

What was in the revengefeelings DO NOT OPEN box?

Bbbbbasically it contained the capability to kill. That's why anger NPC talked about having the option not to be killed in a kill or be killed situation! As a more ruthless and vengeful aspect of the heart, he wanted the box open, but it goes so hard against Battler's sense of morality that he was unable to touch it.

Because of that sense of morality, if the box had been opened but anger NPC left in the closet, there would have been pretty much no outward change. Battler might have ended up feeling more conflicted in terms of trauma games and such, but ultimately he would still be unwilling to ever actually kill anyone.

However, no matter what happened with anger NPC, opening the box would have made certain parts of the heart more physically dangerous and potentially deadly. For example, entering the garden would have become a lot more difficult.

Give me dots!

Raven->Battler

suddenly dere

Erika->Battler
MOSTLY

but VERY OCCASIONALLY

Which is three dots above her baseline. . .

It's rarely anywhere in between though. It's either "you can actually be pretty okay and fun" or "USHIROMIYA BATTLERRRRRRRRRRRRRR I HATE YOU THE MOST!!!! >( >( >("

I want dots . . . . .

Serah

BEST TEAMMATE SIBLING. Battler likes Serah a lot and thinks she is a very impressive lady!

Persephone

Persephone is one of Battler's favourite Personae! Being a blonde bossy lady, she is also totally hot :|b

Can I have some dots in return!

Edited 2013-04-10 11:40 (UTC)

Serah loves Emerald a lot, and she knows that Battler especially means a lot to Lightning . . . So, there's a lot of dere. ////// That, and she's simply a loving girl, so!

If you go pink, you die with Persephone . . . So, yellow is safe . . . Yellow is nice . . . . . . .

So, how's Battler feeling with Emerald??

Battler loves Emerald and thinks they are the best team! He really appreciates the similarities between him and his teammates, how they're all stubborn and determined and want to at least try to do the right thing! He sees them as family in Aather, and in some ways feels much closer to them than he ever did to some of his real family back home.

For a while he felt kind of distanced from them because they mainly interact as a team only in games, and it felt like there were a lot of games that split teams up? But after they had their big fight in the Nimue/Odile game and reconciled afterwards, a lot of his team dere returned. And now with Nachume gone Battler has kind of made a conscious decision to have a lot of team spirit!! and give the new teammate the best welcome when he shows up!!

How does Serah like Camelot and its new Personae so far?

Uhhh, she likes Camelot! Because it is a different area than she's ever lived in, and it doesn't have the elements of being a beach while not being a beach . . . Wonderland o9!!! With how everything is so much tougher, hmm, she doesn't mind it too much . . . If it hits other people too hard, then she might take out a standing quest to just keep plugging away at trying to get food. But, on the other hand, it has a nice leveling factor with the knights that she really does like. She never thought of them as different from heroes, now there really is very little different between them.

As far as Personae go, hmmm . . . She hasn't met any! But she is going to express her discomfort with Lancelot very quickly with this game. She doesn't like the sound of his approach to "knighthood". If everyone can unite in saying UM NO???, then she will be chill . . . And she isn't the type to hate or even dislike anyone very much, so she will just make faces and do her own thing.

Are you topping anyone for your younger sister yet???

DOTS

YOU'RE A PRETTY COOL GUY :)b

but only if you give me dots back otherwise friendship over

His base is somewhere in low blue, so! PRETTY GOOD THERE.

I DIDN'T PLAY IN THE GAME (;o;) but I WANT DOTS/RELATIONSHIP...

BATTLER LOVES EVERYONE ON EMERALD and he likes and respects Viridian a lot! In games he's fine deferring to Viridian's judgement in important decisions since he's the senior teammate and has been in Aather forever. That said, he also thinks Viridian is froofy and kind of ridiculous and is not afraid to mock him for it, especially since he prefers not to show how much he actually respects people.

Reverse!

Edited 2013-04-11 06:02 (UTC)

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